Disc Brakes in The Mythical 40k TT

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Now that Velonews.com has posted the complete data for the wind tunnel test of disc brakes versus rim brakes, it's time to take a look at the time gaps you could expect to see across the mythical 40k TT.

As you see in the Velonews graph, the speed difference between the disc bike and the rim bike is greatest when the wind is blowing from the drive side of the bike. The drive side of the bike is normally the faster side of a bike with rim brakes. The dynamic that causes this is also nearly certainly responsible for this difference - to put it in the simplest terms we can, you're adding sail area to the disc side. This helps to overcome some of the drag added by the disc setup, and makes the disc side of the disc bike relatively faster than the drive side of the disc bike. 

However, this difference is most profound at greater wind angles - wind angles that don't commonly come into play. There have been a bunch of studies that show that even in fairly windy locations, at the speeds we typically ride, we are most often riding with an apparent wind angle of 10* or less. This study that Trek did while developing their SpeedConcept bike is a great read on this (section 3.2 has what you're looking for). Our convention has been to use the weighting that Tour Magazine uses for their tests, which places a similar emphasis on wind angles of 10* or less, but logically brings wider angles into play at slower bike speeds. The slower you go, the more likely you are to experience wider wind angles, although wind angles of greater than 12* or so are still quite rare. 

Between -10 degrees (the drive side is the negative side) and +10 degrees, the extra watts of drag that the disc bike incurs are fairly symmetrical. As you get out to the wider angles, the drive side becomes relatively slower, while the non-drive side becomes very equal to the rim-braked counterpart. 

Thanks to this distribution, the delta between the disc and rim bikes in the mythical 40k TT are similar no matter which side the wind is from. Imagining a flat, out-and-back 40k TT course where the wind is blowing from the left on the way out and the right on the way in, the time costs for the disc brake bike are:

@30mph - 3.6 seconds out, 4.7 seconds in - 8.3 seconds total

@25mph - 4.5 seconds out, 4.5 seconds in - 9 seconds total

@20mph - 3.5 seconds out, 4.5 seconds in - 8 seconds total

My New Years resolution (I haven't made one in about a dozen years) is to use subjective language as infrequently as possible, so we will simply let those numbers speak to themselves. We're sure that the forums will host fierce battles for all perspectives. Our objective (see what I did there?) in doing this exercise was merely to quantify the difference between the two setups in order to give people the information that allows them to make the decision that best suits their purpose.

 


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  • Dave on

    Hi Eric -Thanks for the thoughts, you and me both on TTs. They hate me and I them. The mythical 40k is just a convention to compare the aerodynamic impact of different things. It assumes no braking, no acceleration, no turning. It's limited in what it compares but what it does it does well so long as the basic protocol is respected. Best,Dave

  • Eric on

    I suppose the whole 40k TT is used for this test merely as a commonly referenced test for saving time by means of aero. I don't do any TT stuff, but from everything I've ever seen, I have yet to see a TT where someone would benefit from having disc brakes over rim brakes. Most TT stuff doesn't seem to require any extreme braking where discs would benefit.Otherwise, I really appreciate the time, money and effort that you guys put into truly proving your products and trying to be transparent. When I pull the trigger on carbon wheels, you will have my business.

  • Dave K on

    Specialized's answer to the same question was 8 seconds, and they used a rider, so not much. It's fairly well established at this point that a wheel alone is a good proxy for that wheel in a bike, and that bike on its own is a good proxy for that bike with a rider.It might be that the answer is different on a 50cm frame than it is on a 60cm frame, and that two people who ride the same frame but have different body types would produce different results. Running with a rider on board produces messier data than with no rider, which requires multiple runs to smooth. Before this test, the range of defensible guesses might realistically have spanned 90 seconds or more. I'll use my favorite phrase that an old boss used to use – we were in a fact free zone before. Now we have a pretty good idea of how the aerodynamics of disc vs rim brakes plays out on a road bike

  • Joe Ajello on

    Is this a mythical TT in which the bike completes the entire race without a rider?How would having a rider with turning legs affect this outcome?


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