Beyond Carbon

Over the last year, we’ve been developing a decision which goes into effect tomorrow. Which is that as of tomorrow, we’re discontinuing our carbon rim lineup. There is a confluence of factors that goes into this. I’ll briefly explain them.

The biggest objective factor is the cost of insurance. Directly importing products of any sort generally puts you in a more expensive category, but the proper coverage for importing carbon increases that cost well over tenfold. [EDIT 10/6 8:20p - That sentence should have read better. Being in the "manufacturer" category takes your insurance up the first huge amount, carbon just takes it up higher]. Obviously we’re not going to sell wheels that leave you or us exposed if something goes wrong, but the economics of things as they are just don’t stack up.

Another part of it is production control. If domestic production was available (we’ve tried, hard), carbon still wouldn’t be easy but it would be manageable. As it is, with our production geographically, linguistically, chronologically, and culturally as far away as it could be on this planet, we don’t have the level of supply chain control that we want.

This isn't to say that all carbon rims are bad, and in no way is it to say that the carbon rims we've sold have been bad. All told, we've had a good record. But there are still serious limitations to carbon. As heat resistance improves, brittleness increases. Heat resistant resins are much more finicky in the molding process and generate much more scrap. Disc brake rims have no need of high heat resins and can significantly benefit from not using them, but that introduces complexity into the manufacturing process (keeping two lines separate) that a) we don't foresee any companies actually doing and b) if they do, the record keeping and shop floor process to ensure that doesn't get messed up aren't things to take for granted. We've never been able to reconcile the fact that bad technique and the wrong hill can overdome even pretty extraordinary heat resistance. Does physics offer a warranty? And heat is far from the only risk with carbon. 

The changes in the aluminum rim landscape over the past few years have been as profound as those in the carbon landscape, albeit with several orders of magnitude less promotion and hoopla around them. We’ve simply come to the conclusion that once you get past the “ooooohhhhh, carbon!” thing, aluminum clincher rims are simply the better choice for nearly every application (if you’re going for the TT worlds, carbon’s a good choice). 

As a small company, we have to focus on those areas where we can add profound value. At some point, it was inevitable that we’d have to choose between being a “products” company and being a “service” company. We’ve got some great stuff happening on the products side, but really we’re a service company. Between our product experience and expertise, our profound wheel building skill, and the awesome array of components we use, we’re comfortable stating baldly that we feel we offer the best value, execution, and service that you can find. You may be looking for carbon for the sake of carbon, in which case we'll have to part ways. But if you're looking for an insane set of wheels for your actual purpose, built with extreme skill and care and delivered at exceeding value, you're in the right place. 

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35 comments

Wow.Came looking to buy a SECOND set of Rail52's for the upcoming season only to find this….I've had my 52's for 2 seasons now and they have served me incredibly well all the way into cat1/2. The quality, braking, and back end service you guys have provided has been top notch.Honestly speechless right now.

Andrew

Thank You for Perfectly explaining Novembers thoughts & direction of the company . I was about to purchase a pair Rail 52's used . I have Ultegra tubeless WH-6700 , 4 years old at 13,000 miles . They are light , served me well , but the rims braking surfaces are wearing thin . I am a sport touring endurance rider on a Giant TCR . I don't need race day only wheels but I want to spoil myself with a Sexy November wheelset in the near future . A Carbon wheel with a Aluminum braking surface I have also thought about . What November Wheels would You suggest for my application ? . THanks again for Not only doing what is right & best for your company but also best for the customer in safety , value & Trust . Peace !

Kirk

Well Dave, I'm sorry to hear that the rails will be no longer. However, I'm very glad to have mind. I bought them used and they are fantastic. I was annoyed that they didn't get the press I thought the should have gotten. They are very fine wheels. You guys should feel very accomplished in developing such a killer wheelset. I understand your decision and direction. Insurance and over head is, at the very least, a thorn in the side when it comes to turning a profit. Do what you gotta do to stay relevant and competitive. Perhaps, don't sell those molds though. I mean out happens when you guys make it big time and you have money to throw back at some classic stellar wheels i.e., the rails. All the best and keep making an impact!

Devin

As an owner of Alloy Nimbus Ti with Pacenti SL23 V2 which I love I am now in the market (or lust) for a set of carbon rims. Yes, I have not had the pleasure of being "done" with carbon rims. Naturally, I came back the November site to look for the Rail rims and, unfortunately, found this blog. From a business perspective, I totally understand. I should've pulled the trigger when the Rails came out last year! :(

Steve

Just now finding about about this, bummer to hear but from a QC/Supply Chain perspective it makes total sense.Kudos to you guys for all of the transparency. I've had my Rail 52's for nearly 4 years now and they have been incredible.

Steve

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